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:them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. | |||
deceased Christians, | deceased Christians, | ||
are brought back to life at his return [[rapture]] | "are brought back to life at his return" [[rapture]] | ||
[[1 Thessalonians 4]] | |||
:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, | |||
:with the voice of the archangel, | |||
:and with the trump of God: | |||
:and the dead in Christ shall rise first: | |||
:17 Then we which are alive and remain | |||
:shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, | |||
:to meet the Lord in the air: | |||
:and so shall we ever be with the Lord. | |||
:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. | |||
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He will come again to the Mount of Olives with these saints | He will come again to the Mount of Olives with these saints | ||
[[Acts 1]]. | [[Acts 1]] | ||
:9 And when he had spoken these things, | |||
:while they beheld, he was taken up; | |||
:and a cloud received him out of their sight. | |||
:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, | |||
:behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; | |||
:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, | |||
:why stand ye gazing up into heaven? | |||
:this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, | |||
:shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. | |||
:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, | |||
:which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day’s journey. | |||
[[Zechariah 14]] | |||
:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, | |||
:and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. | |||
:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; | |||
:and the city shall be taken, | |||
:and the houses rifled, | |||
:and the women ravished; | |||
:and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, | |||
:and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. | |||
:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, | |||
:as when he fought in the day of battle. | |||
:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, | |||
:which is before Jerusalem on the east, | |||
:and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof | |||
:toward the east and toward the west, | |||
:and there shall be a very great valley; | |||
:and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, | |||
:and half of it toward the south. | |||
:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; | |||
:for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: | |||
:yea, ye shall flee, | |||
:like as ye fled from before the earthquake | |||
:in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: | |||
:and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. | |||
The tribulation saints are raised | The tribulation saints are raised | ||
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and is part of the [[first resurrection]] | and is part of the [[first resurrection]] | ||
[[Revelation 8]]. | [[Revelation 8]] -------------- ? | ||
:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, | |||
:there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. | |||
[[Revelation 9]] | |||
:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, | |||
:nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. | |||
[[Revelation 11]].15-18 | [[Revelation 11]].15-18 | ||
:15 And the seventh angel sounded; | |||
:and there were great voices in heaven, saying, | |||
:The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, | |||
:and of his Christ; | |||
:and he shall reign for ever and ever. | |||
:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, | |||
:fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, | |||
:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, | |||
:which art, and wast, and art to come; | |||
:because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, | |||
:and hast reigned. | |||
:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, | |||
:and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, | |||
:and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, | |||
:and to the saints, | |||
:and them that fear thy name, small and great; | |||
:and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. | |||
[[1 Corinthians 15]].51-52 | [[1 Corinthians 15]].51-52 | ||
:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; | |||
:We shall not all sleep, | |||
:but we shall all be changed, | |||
:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: | |||
:for the trumpet shall sound, | |||
:and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, | |||
:and we shall be changed. | |||
[[1 Thessalonians 4]].16-17 | [[1 Thessalonians 4]].16-17 | ||
:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, | |||
:with the voice of the archangel, | |||
:and with the trump of God: | |||
:and the dead in Christ shall rise first: | |||
:17 Then we which are alive and remain | |||
:shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, | |||
:to meet the Lord in the air: | |||
:and so shall we ever be with the Lord. | |||
:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. | |||
[[Matthew 24]].30-31 | [[Matthew 24]].30-31 | ||
:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: | |||
:and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, | |||
:and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven | |||
:with power and great glory. | |||
:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, | |||
:and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, | |||
:from one end of heaven to the other. | |||
=[===[[========== | |||
:After meeting Christ in the atmosphere above the earth, | |||
:the Saints will descend to the earth | |||
==========WRONG | |||
[[Zechariah 14]].4-5 | |||
[[Revelation 20]] | |||
[[1 Corinthians 15]] | |||
[[Mark 13]].24 - 27 | |||
:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, | |||
:the sun shall be darkened, | |||
:and the moon shall not give her light, | |||
:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, | |||
:and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. | |||
:26 And then shall they see | |||
:the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. | |||
:27 And then shall he send his angels, | |||
:and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, | |||
:from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. | |||
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mercifully be put out of their misery forever ============= WRONG | |||
torment forever | |||
[[Matthew 16]] | |||
:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; | |||
:and then he shall reward every man according to his works. | |||
[[Revelation 22]] | |||
:12 And, behold, I come quickly; | |||
:and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. | |||
[[Daniel 12]] | |||
:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, | |||
:the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: | |||
:and there shall be a time of trouble, | |||
:such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: | |||
:and at that time thy people shall be delivered, | |||
:every one that shall be found written in the book. | |||
:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, | |||
:some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. | |||
:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; | |||
:and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. | |||
[[John 5]] | |||
:28 Marvel not at this: | |||
:for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, | |||
:29 And shall come forth; | |||
:they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; | |||
:and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. | |||
[[Luke 20]].34 - 36, | |||
:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, | |||
:The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: | |||
:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, | |||
:and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: | |||
:36 Neither can they die any more: | |||
:for they are equal unto the angels; | |||
:and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. | |||
:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, | |||
:The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: | |||
:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, | |||
:and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: | |||
:36 Neither can they die any more: | |||
:for they are equal unto the angels; | |||
:and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. | |||
[[1 Corinthians 15]].52 - 55 | |||
:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: | |||
:for the trumpet shall sound, | |||
:and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, | |||
:and we shall be changed. | |||
:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, | |||
:and this mortal must put on immortality. | |||
:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, | |||
:and this mortal shall have put on immortality, | |||
:then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, | |||
:Death is swallowed up in victory. | |||
:55 O death, where is thy sting? | |||
:O grave, where is thy victory? | |||
:56 The sting of death is sin; | |||
:and the strength of sin is the law. | |||
:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. | |||
[[--]] | [[--]] |
Latest revision as of 08:27, 30 November 2021
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those who die faithful to God
========== WRONG
those dead saints
first resurrection
- them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
deceased Christians,
"are brought back to life at his return" rapture
- 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
- with the voice of the archangel,
- and with the trump of God:
- and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
- 17 Then we which are alive and remain
- shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
- to meet the Lord in the air:
- and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
- 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
==========+ After the first resurrection ============= WRONG
The first resurrection is in three parts.
It is completed after the tribulation
He will come again to the Mount of Olives with these saints
- 9 And when he had spoken these things,
- while they beheld, he was taken up;
- and a cloud received him out of their sight.
- 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up,
- behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
- 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee,
- why stand ye gazing up into heaven?
- this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven,
- shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
- 12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet,
- which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day’s journey.
- 1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh,
- and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
- 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;
- and the city shall be taken,
- and the houses rifled,
- and the women ravished;
- and half of the city shall go forth into captivity,
- and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
- 3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations,
- as when he fought in the day of battle.
- 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
- which is before Jerusalem on the east,
- and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof
- toward the east and toward the west,
- and there shall be a very great valley;
- and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north,
- and half of it toward the south.
- 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains;
- for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal:
- yea, ye shall flee,
- like as ye fled from before the earthquake
- in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:
- and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
The tribulation saints are raised
and is part of the first resurrection
Revelation 8 -------------- ?
- 1 And when he had opened the seventh seal,
- there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
- 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries,
- nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Revelation 11.15-18
- 15 And the seventh angel sounded;
- and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
- The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
- and of his Christ;
- and he shall reign for ever and ever.
- 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats,
- fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
- 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
- which art, and wast, and art to come;
- because thou hast taken to thee thy great power,
- and hast reigned.
- 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come,
- and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
- and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets,
- and to the saints,
- and them that fear thy name, small and great;
- and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
1 Corinthians 15.51-52
- 51 Behold, I show you a mystery;
- We shall not all sleep,
- but we shall all be changed,
- 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
- for the trumpet shall sound,
- and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
- and we shall be changed.
1 Thessalonians 4.16-17
- 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
- with the voice of the archangel,
- and with the trump of God:
- and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
- 17 Then we which are alive and remain
- shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
- to meet the Lord in the air:
- and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
- 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Matthew 24.30-31
- 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
- and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,
- and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven
- with power and great glory.
- 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
- and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds,
- from one end of heaven to the other.
[===[[=========
- After meeting Christ in the atmosphere above the earth,
- the Saints will descend to the earth
==========WRONG
Zechariah 14.4-5
Mark 13.24 - 27
- 24 But in those days, after that tribulation,
- the sun shall be darkened,
- and the moon shall not give her light,
- 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall,
- and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
- 26 And then shall they see
- the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
- 27 And then shall he send his angels,
- and shall gather together his elect from the four winds,
- from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
====
mercifully be put out of their misery forever ============= WRONG
torment forever
- 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels;
- and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
- 12 And, behold, I come quickly;
- and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
- 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up,
- the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:
- and there shall be a time of trouble,
- such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:
- and at that time thy people shall be delivered,
- every one that shall be found written in the book.
- 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
- some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
- 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament;
- and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
- 28 Marvel not at this:
- for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
- 29 And shall come forth;
- they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
- and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Luke 20.34 - 36,
- 34 And Jesus answering said unto them,
- The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
- 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world,
- and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
- 36 Neither can they die any more:
- for they are equal unto the angels;
- and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
- 34 And Jesus answering said unto them,
- The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
- 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world,
- and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
- 36 Neither can they die any more:
- for they are equal unto the angels;
- and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15.52 - 55
- 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
- for the trumpet shall sound,
- and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
- and we shall be changed.
- 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
- and this mortal must put on immortality.
- 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption,
- and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
- then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
- Death is swallowed up in victory.
- 55 O death, where is thy sting?
- O grave, where is thy victory?
- 56 The sting of death is sin;
- and the strength of sin is the law.
- 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.