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This little book has elicited a large amount of adverse criticism,
This little book has elicited a large amount of adverse criticism,


and revealed the fact that the most diverse and grossly unscriptural views of the Baptist Church Polity exist
and revealed the fact  


among our authors and writers—the recognized teachers of our churches.
that the most diverse and grossly unscriptural views
 
of the Baptist Church Polity exist
 
among our authors and writers—
 
the recognized teachers of our [[church]]es.


The Religious Herald, and some few other critics,
The Religious Herald, and some few other critics,


declare that the fundamental error of this book is its "cold, inexorable, mathematical logic."
declare that the fundamental error of this book  
 
is its "cold, inexorable, mathematical logic."


It asserts that strict logical methods of reasoning are not admissible
It asserts that strict logical methods of reasoning are not admissible
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are taught and enjoined by the Word of God.
are taught and enjoined by the Word of God.


The Relative Rights of Ministers and Churches.
The Relative Rights of Ministers and [[Church]]es.
 
There is an irreconcilable diversity of opinions


There is an irreconcilable diversity of opinions among the teachers of our Israel on these matters,
among the teachers of our Israel on these matters,


I will divide them into classes:
I will divide them into classes:


1. This class is composed of those who hold and teach that baptism belongs to the kingdom,
1. This class is composed of those  
 
who hold and teach that baptism belongs to the kingdom,


and only introduces the subject into the kingdom, and never into a local church;
and only introduces the subject into the kingdom,  


and that the subject, to gain admission into a church,
and never into a local [[church]];
 
and that the subject, to gain admission into a [[church]],


must apply and present certificate of his baptism by some one,
must apply and present certificate of his baptism by some one,


and upon this the church receives him by an unanimous vote!
and upon this the [[church]] receives him by an unanimous vote!


The unscripturalness and absurdity of these positions can be shown by these plain facts:
The unscripturalness and absurdity of these positions can be shown by these plain facts:
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and therefore no one ever yet received baptism as an ordinance of the kingdom.
and therefore no one ever yet received baptism as an ordinance of the kingdom.


(3) The kingdom of Christ is not composed of persons, but of churches, as kingdoms are of provinces,
(3) The kingdom of Christ is not composed of persons,  


and therefore no person ever was or can be a member of it and not of one of Christ’s churches.
but of churches, as kingdoms are of provinces,
 
and therefore no person ever was or can be a member of it  
 
and not of one of Christ’s [[church]]es.


(4) But, if one ordinance belongs to the kingdom, then both do,
(4) But, if one ordinance belongs to the kingdom, then both do,
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The advocates of this theory will not admit that the Supper belongs to the kingdom.
The advocates of this theory will not admit that the Supper belongs to the kingdom.


(5) But, if the theory be correct, then, when the church excludes a member,
(5) But, if the theory be correct, then, when the [[church]] excludes a member,


she leaves him in the kingdom, where she found him.
she leaves him in the kingdom, where she found him.
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one can not interfere with the subjects of the other!
one can not interfere with the subjects of the other!


(7) This class also teach that baptism was delivered to the ministry, and not to the church,
(7) This class also teach that baptism was delivered to the ministry,  
 
and not to the [[church]],


and therefore they have a right to administer it to whomsoever they deem fit,
and therefore they have a right to administer it to whomsoever they deem fit,
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and wheresoever they please;
and wheresoever they please;


though they think it expedient to take the voice of a church, when one is convenient,
though they think it expedient to take the voice of a [[church]], when one is convenient,


of which they are the sole judges!
of which they are the sole judges!


They may enter a church, and baptize in its own baptistery, without consulting it, if they please!
They may enter a [[church]], and baptize in its own baptistery,  
 
without consulting it, if they please!


Now every Bible-reader knows that both ordinances were delivered to the same organization—not to the kingdom,
Now every Bible-reader knows that both ordinances  


not to the ministry, but to the churches (1 Cor. 11:2);
were delivered to the same organization—not to the kingdom,
 
not to the ministry, but to the [[church]]es  [[1 Corinthians 11.2]]


and the churches are everywhere charged with their guardianship and scriptural administration,
and the churches are everywhere charged with their guardianship and scriptural administration,
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(8) And, finally, if it be true that baptized subjects are only in the kingdom after baptism,
(8) And, finally, if it be true that baptized subjects are only in the kingdom after baptism,


and not in a church until they make application with certificate of or witnesses to their baptism
and not in a church until they make application  
 
with certificate of or witnesses to their baptism


by a scriptural minister, and the church must receive them by vote,
by a scriptural minister, and the church must receive them by vote,
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that "by baptism we are initiated into the holy congregation of God’s people;"
that "by baptism we are initiated into the holy congregation of God’s people;"


and with Paul (1 Cor. 12:13),
and with Paul [[1 Corinthians 12.13]]


that in one spirit we are all baptized into one and the self-same body — a local church, and not the kingdom.
that in one spirit we are all baptized into one and the self-same body —  
 
a local church, and not the kingdom.




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This would be to make the pastor an Autocrat.
This would be to make the pastor an Autocrat.


It is most passing strange that intelligent Baptists should put forth such theories for Baptist or scriptural church polity!
It is most passing strange that intelligent Baptists  
 
should put forth such theories for Baptist or scriptural church polity!
 
The polity set forth in this book


The polity set forth in this book is that the churches of Christ are absolutely independent bodies;
is that the churches of Christ are absolutely independent bodies;


and that to them Christ committed all the ordinances,
and that to them Christ committed all the ordinances,
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to administer the ordinances to those whom the churches deem qualified.
to administer the ordinances to those whom the churches deem qualified.


Let the reader decide whether this theory is scriptural, or the above contradictory ones.
Let the reader decide whether this theory is scriptural,  


Touching the Lord’s Supper
or the above contradictory ones.
 
Touching the [[Lord’s Supper]]


My position has called forth the most confused and conflicting opposition.
My position has called forth the most confused and conflicting opposition.


As in seeking the condemnation of the Author of Truth, the witnesses fail to agree among themselves,
As in seeking the condemnation of the Author of Truth,  
 
the witnesses fail to agree among themselves,


and thus virtually destroy their own testimony.
and thus virtually destroy their own testimony.
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Let us see. The position advocated in the book is—
Let us see. The position advocated in the book is—


That the Lord’s Supper is a Church ordinance,
That the [[Lord’s Supper]] is a [[Church]] ordinance,


symbolizing church relations among other things,
symbolizing church relations among other things,
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else the ordinance is vitiated and null.
else the ordinance is vitiated and null.


Some Baptists oppose this outright, while the most admit that it is a church ordinance,
Some Baptists oppose this outright,  
 
while the most admit that it is a church ordinance,


but seek by various indirect methods to evade it,
but seek by various indirect methods to evade it,
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has the right to eat with any and all other churches;
has the right to eat with any and all other churches;


and that "there is no power in heaven (?!) or on earth that can withhold it from any member where a church is."
and that "there is no power in heaven (?!) or on earth  
 
that can withhold it from any member where a church is."


(The language of the Baptist Reflector, Nashville, Tenn.).
(The language of the Baptist Reflector, Nashville, Tenn.).
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This is blasphemy, denying, as it does, that Jesus Christ Himself,
This is blasphemy, denying, as it does, that Jesus Christ Himself,


who is the Author and Lord of the ordinance, has a right or power to change it!
who is the Author and Lord of the ordinance,  
 
has a right or power to change it!


But this class, while agreeing that the member of one church
But this class, while agreeing that the member of one church
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has the right to eat with every other church in the denomination, disagree.
has the right to eat with every other church in the denomination, disagree.


Some of these consistently apply the absurd theory to all other church rights, acts and privileges, as voting, etc.,
Some of these consistently apply the absurd theory  
 
to all other church rights, acts and privileges, as voting, etc.,


which the other part repudiate.
which the other part repudiate.


If the theory is correct, then it is true that the members of one church have a right to vote
If the theory is correct,  
 
then it is true that the members of one church have a right to vote


on all questions in all other churches, and thus discipline them,
on all questions in all other churches, and thus discipline them,


and determine who shall be pastors, if the non-members can raise an outside majority!
and determine who shall be pastors,  
 
if the non-members can raise an outside majority!
 
Now, all our readers can see that either of these positions
 
utterly destroys the independence of Baptist Churches,


Now, all our readers can see that either of these positions utterly destroys the independence of Baptist Churches,
and denies to them the guardianship of the ordinance


and denies to them the guardianship of the ordinance which Christ committed to them (1 Cor. 11:2).
which Christ committed to them [[1 Corinthians 11.2]]


This theory is thoroughly unscriptural, revolutionary and absurd to be tolerated for a moment.
This theory is thoroughly unscriptural,  
 
revolutionary and absurd to be tolerated for a moment.


No standard author or scholar, among Baptists, admits that members of one church
No standard author or scholar, among Baptists, admits that members of one church
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have a right to the Supper spread in another.
have a right to the Supper spread in another.


2. There is a second class that hold and teach that the Supper is unquestionably a Church ordinance,
2. There is a second class that hold and teach  
 
that the Supper is unquestionably a Church ordinance,


and was appointed by Christ to be so observed;
and was appointed by Christ to be so observed;
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But this class is divided into three parties:
But this class is divided into three parties:


Those who teach that the churches, though not under any obligation to do so, may contravene the appointment,
Those who teach that the churches,  
 
though not under any obligation to do so,  
 
may contravene the appointment,
 
and invite visiting brethren of sister churches to occasional communion,  


and invite visiting brethren of sister churches to occasional communion, as a matter of courtesy.
as a matter of courtesy.


This is the general opinion, agreeing with the popular practice of the denomination.
This is the general opinion,  


It cannot be honestly denied that a church has as much right to invite all Baptists present to vote
agreeing with the popular practice of the denomination.


in electing or dismissing a pastor, or discipling a member, as to participate in the Supper.
It cannot be honestly denied
 
that a church has as much right to invite all Baptists present to vote
 
in electing or dismissing a pastor, or disciplining a member,  
 
as to participate in the Supper.


But our standard teachers agree in saying that it has no right to do the latter,
But our standard teachers agree in saying that it has no right to do the latter,
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infer that Paul and the eight brethren with him communed with the church at Troas
infer that Paul and the eight brethren with him communed with the church at Troas


while two things remain to be proved—as they do in proving that infants were baptized in Lydia’s house— viz.,
while two things remain to be proved—as they do in proving  
 
that infants were baptized in Lydia’s house— viz.,


that she ever had any;
that she ever had any;
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It has never been proved that there was a church at Troas at the time of Paul’s last visit.
It has never been proved that there was a church at Troas at the time of Paul’s last visit.


That the meal spoken of (Acts 20:11) was the Lord’s Supper, and not a common meal.
That the meal spoken of [[Acts 20.11]] was the [[Lord’s Supper]], and not a common meal.


The fact is, there was no church at Troas in the first century, if ever.
The fact is, there was no church at Troas in the first century, if ever.


3. Others of this class say that, since it is so clear that the Supper is a Church ordinance, i.e.,
3. Others of this class say that, since it is so clear  
 
that the Supper is a Church ordinance, i.e.,


an act that must be confined to the members of the particular church,
an act that must be confined to the members of the particular church,


and that it symbolizes church relations, therefore those invited must be, in some sense, members,
and that it symbolizes church relations,  
 
therefore those invited must be, in some sense, members,


they propose their theory, viz.,
they propose their theory, viz.,
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that all visiting brethren be regarded as members for the time being—quo ad hoc—
that all visiting brethren be regarded as members for the time being—quo ad hoc—


to enjoy this one church privilege but no other, and regarded as foreigners so soon as the Supper is ended!
to enjoy this one church privilege but no other,  
 
and regarded as foreigners so soon as the Supper is ended!


This theory is entitled to the credit of originality,
This theory is entitled to the credit of originality,
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4. The author of this book belongs to the fourth party of this class,
4. The author of this book belongs to the fourth party of this class,


who hold and teach, that, since Christ appointed the Supper to be observed as a Church ordinance,
who hold and teach,  
 
that since Christ appointed the Supper to be observed as a Church ordinance,


and to symbolize that all who eat of "the one loaf"
and to symbolize that all who eat of "the one loaf"
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which it never is, nor can be, unless limited to the members of each local church;
which it never is, nor can be, unless limited to the members of each local church;


for, if the thing symbolized does not exist, the symbol is nullified, and the ordinance vitiated.
for, if the thing symbolized does not exist,  
 
the symbol is nullified, and the ordinance vitiated.


Therefore, Prof. Curtis, in his able work, "Progress of Baptist Principles,"
Therefore, Prof. Curtis, in his able work, "Progress of Baptist Principles,"

Latest revision as of 10:20, 10 June 2024

APPENDIX F.

NOTICE OF THE OBJECTIONS TO THIS BOOK.

This little book has elicited a large amount of adverse criticism,

and revealed the fact

that the most diverse and grossly unscriptural views

of the Baptist Church Polity exist

among our authors and writers—

the recognized teachers of our churches.

The Religious Herald, and some few other critics,

declare that the fundamental error of this book

is its "cold, inexorable, mathematical logic."

It asserts that strict logical methods of reasoning are not admissible

in discussing such questions as are treated in this book,

but "moral and probable reasoning" only.

We reply, that since logic has only to do with forms of thought,

and is the science of correct thinking,

that it is rightly applied to the investigation of all subjects,

especially to all moral and religious ones;

that this, in my opinion, is the chief merit of the book.

Sir Win. Hamilton, Bowen, and all standard authorities, sustain me in this.

I have demonstrated something, i.e., that Old Landmark principles and policy

are taught and enjoined by the Word of God.

The Relative Rights of Ministers and Churches.

There is an irreconcilable diversity of opinions

among the teachers of our Israel on these matters,

I will divide them into classes:

1. This class is composed of those

who hold and teach that baptism belongs to the kingdom,

and only introduces the subject into the kingdom,

and never into a local church;

and that the subject, to gain admission into a church,

must apply and present certificate of his baptism by some one,

and upon this the church receives him by an unanimous vote!

The unscripturalness and absurdity of these positions can be shown by these plain facts:

(1) The kingdom of Christ has no officer save its one King and Lawgiver,

who never baptizes, and hence can not administer an ordinance to any one!

(2) The kingdom of Christ has no ordinance,

and therefore no one ever yet received baptism as an ordinance of the kingdom.

(3) The kingdom of Christ is not composed of persons,

but of churches, as kingdoms are of provinces,

and therefore no person ever was or can be a member of it

and not of one of Christ’s churches.

(4) But, if one ordinance belongs to the kingdom, then both do,

for what God hath joined together let not man attempt to sever.

The advocates of this theory will not admit that the Supper belongs to the kingdom.

(5) But, if the theory be correct, then, when the church excludes a member,

she leaves him in the kingdom, where she found him.

Think of it—all her excluded members are in the kingdom of Christ,

and there is no authority on earth to put them out!

(6) And more, the churches have no disciplinary jurisdiction over ministers,

since they belong to the kingdom—if they can administer its ordinance,

for it is evident an officer must belong to the government whose laws he executes.

If these are distinct organizations, as these teach,

one can not interfere with the subjects of the other!

(7) This class also teach that baptism was delivered to the ministry,

and not to the church,

and therefore they have a right to administer it to whomsoever they deem fit,

and wheresoever they please;

though they think it expedient to take the voice of a church, when one is convenient,

of which they are the sole judges!

They may enter a church, and baptize in its own baptistery,

without consulting it, if they please!

Now every Bible-reader knows that both ordinances

were delivered to the same organization—not to the kingdom,

not to the ministry, but to the churches 1 Corinthians 11.2

and the churches are everywhere charged with their guardianship and scriptural administration,

and the ministry are nowhere thus charged.

(8) And, finally, if it be true that baptized subjects are only in the kingdom after baptism,

and not in a church until they make application

with certificate of or witnesses to their baptism

by a scriptural minister, and the church must receive them by vote,

then there is not a Baptist church on this continent,

for no Baptist in America was ever so received!

And these advocates themselves are not church-members!

American Baptists, save the few afflicted with this "crotchet," believe,

with their historical ancestors of 1120,

that "by baptism we are initiated into the holy congregation of God’s people;"

and with Paul 1 Corinthians 12.13

that in one spirit we are all baptized into one and the self-same body —

a local church, and not the kingdom.


2. Another class of teachers claim that both the church and its pastor—though not a member—

jointly decide who may be baptized;

and, if the pastor objects, no baptism can be performed!

All can see this puts the veto-power into the hands of the minister;

and he alone, even when not a member, can prevent any one entering the church of Christ,

or receiving its ordinances.

This would be to make the pastor an Autocrat.

It is most passing strange that intelligent Baptists

should put forth such theories for Baptist or scriptural church polity!

The polity set forth in this book

is that the churches of Christ are absolutely independent bodies;

and that to them Christ committed all the ordinances,

and constituted them the sole guardians and administrators of them;

and that his ministers are the servants, not the masters, of the churches,

to administer the ordinances to those whom the churches deem qualified.

Let the reader decide whether this theory is scriptural,

or the above contradictory ones.

Touching the Lord’s Supper

My position has called forth the most confused and conflicting opposition.

As in seeking the condemnation of the Author of Truth,

the witnesses fail to agree among themselves,

and thus virtually destroy their own testimony.

Let us see. The position advocated in the book is—

That the Lord’s Supper is a Church ordinance,

symbolizing church relations among other things,

and therefore should in all cases be so observed,

else the ordinance is vitiated and null.

Some Baptists oppose this outright,

while the most admit that it is a church ordinance,

but seek by various indirect methods to evade it,

to uphold the present unscriptural and inconsistent practice.

1. The former hold and teach that the Supper belongs to the kingdom,

and therefore a member in good standing in one regular Baptist Church

has the right to eat with any and all other churches;

and that "there is no power in heaven (?!) or on earth

that can withhold it from any member where a church is."

(The language of the Baptist Reflector, Nashville, Tenn.).

This is blasphemy, denying, as it does, that Jesus Christ Himself,

who is the Author and Lord of the ordinance,

has a right or power to change it!

But this class, while agreeing that the member of one church

has the right to eat with every other church in the denomination, disagree.

Some of these consistently apply the absurd theory

to all other church rights, acts and privileges, as voting, etc.,

which the other part repudiate.

If the theory is correct,

then it is true that the members of one church have a right to vote

on all questions in all other churches, and thus discipline them,

and determine who shall be pastors,

if the non-members can raise an outside majority!

Now, all our readers can see that either of these positions

utterly destroys the independence of Baptist Churches,

and denies to them the guardianship of the ordinance

which Christ committed to them 1 Corinthians 11.2

This theory is thoroughly unscriptural,

revolutionary and absurd to be tolerated for a moment.

No standard author or scholar, among Baptists, admits that members of one church

have a right to the Supper spread in another.

2. There is a second class that hold and teach

that the Supper is unquestionably a Church ordinance,

and was appointed by Christ to be so observed;

and that it was manifestly so observed universally in the earliest centuries of Christianity.

But this class is divided into three parties:

Those who teach that the churches,

though not under any obligation to do so,

may contravene the appointment,

and invite visiting brethren of sister churches to occasional communion,

as a matter of courtesy.

This is the general opinion,

agreeing with the popular practice of the denomination.

It cannot be honestly denied

that a church has as much right to invite all Baptists present to vote

in electing or dismissing a pastor, or disciplining a member,

as to participate in the Supper.

But our standard teachers agree in saying that it has no right to do the latter,

and that our local churches cannot do it without self-destruction.

These, as well as those of the first class,

infer that Paul and the eight brethren with him communed with the church at Troas

while two things remain to be proved—as they do in proving

that infants were baptized in Lydia’s house— viz.,

that she ever had any;

and, if so, that she brought her babes along with her!

It has never been proved that there was a church at Troas at the time of Paul’s last visit.

That the meal spoken of Acts 20.11 was the Lord’s Supper, and not a common meal.

The fact is, there was no church at Troas in the first century, if ever.

3. Others of this class say that, since it is so clear

that the Supper is a Church ordinance, i.e.,

an act that must be confined to the members of the particular church,

and that it symbolizes church relations,

therefore those invited must be, in some sense, members,

they propose their theory, viz.,

that all visiting brethren be regarded as members for the time being—quo ad hoc—

to enjoy this one church privilege but no other,

and regarded as foreigners so soon as the Supper is ended!

This theory is entitled to the credit of originality,

for history affords no illustration of it any more than the Scriptures a warrant.

To practice this, would be to practice a "pious fraud,"

since no conceivable church relations exist,

or are recognized either by the church or the individuals.

It is seeking to evade the plain law of Christ by a culpable indirection.

4. The author of this book belongs to the fourth party of this class,

who hold and teach,

that since Christ appointed the Supper to be observed as a Church ordinance,

and to symbolize that all who eat of "the one loaf"

are members of one and the self-same church,

therefore it must be observed as such;

which it never is, nor can be, unless limited to the members of each local church;

for, if the thing symbolized does not exist,

the symbol is nullified, and the ordinance vitiated.

Therefore, Prof. Curtis, in his able work, "Progress of Baptist Principles,"

though evidently desirous of being very kind toward the prevalent practice, says:

"It [the Supper] is not only committed to their [the churches] care,

but is to be administered among them as a symbol, among other things,

of that fraternity which they bear to each other as such.

It therefore unquestionably indicates visible Church relations as subsisting among all

who by right unite together in its celebration.

Occasional communion by invitation must follow, therefore,

the principles established for the regular celebration of this ordinance.

We may not bend the rule to the exception, but the exception to the rule." (pp. 303-4).

This means those who wish to commune with any church must become actual members of it.

This is my opinion—no more, and no less;

and in this opinion it is a satisfaction to know that I stand with the greatest thinkers

who have written on this subject, and, better than all, with the Word of God.

There are some who insist that the expression of my convictions upon this subject

is "the great blunder of my life."

It is my conviction that it will not be so considered by the denomination twenty years hence,

and I can well afford to wait that long for the verdict it will then delight to render.


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